Episode 11

The Future of Office

In this episode of the Real Estate Wealth Podcast, host Ed Aloe dives into the transformative world of workspaces with Peter Capelli, a leading authority on the evolution of employment and the office environment. Peter navigates through the consequential shifts caused by the pandemic and offers foresight on the trajectory of how and where we work. He unpacks the complexities of remote and hybrid working models, touching upon how these changes influence the commercial real estate market and employment policies. 

Listen this week as Ed and Peter discuss the dynamics between CFO-driven cost-cutting measures and the need for human-centered spaces to foster collaboration and organizational culture. 


"More remote models are much better for introverts who don't want to be around people.  This is better for them, but worse for extroverts who feel particularly lonely and isolated. It also made us focus more on individual contributions because we can measure those. We are focusing much less on collaboration and cooperation." -Peter Capelli [49:45]

“As companies try to get people back in the office more the problem is they aren’t getting people in more days. So this doesn’t help the real estate problem much. You don't need more space. It helps the stores and things in the cities for sure. But I think the trend is headed back toward more in person and whether that will continue, even if it continues slowly, it would help commercial real estate in the city.” -Peter Capelli [34:36]


  • The future of office spaces is heavily influenced by the shift to remote and hybrid working models, spurred by the pandemic.
  • Remote work has brought to light the importance of social interactions and teamwork that traditionally occur within office settings.
  • The management of remote work is largely unstructured across various organizations leading to inefficiencies and communication gaps.
  • Commercial real estate, particularly in city centers, may face transformations as companies reevaluate their physical footprint in response to changing work habits.
  • The labor market's condition is a significant factor in determining the permanence of remote work and consequently the demand for office space.


(00:12) The Evolution of Workspaces Post-Pandemic

(04:26) Remote Work's Impact on Career Progression and Satisfaction

(11:32) Challenges of Remote Work on Collaboration and Onboarding

(17:00) Inefficiencies and Paradoxes of Remote Work Meetings

(26:37) Remote Work's Legal and Financial Complexities

(31:15) Distressed Office Real Estate and Future Adaptations

(40:03) Chatbots Gone Rogue: The Air Canada Case

(51:06) Labor Market Dynamics and the Future of Work Flexibility


Ed Aloe


Peter Capelli

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Edward Aloe

Ed founded CALCAP Advisors in May 2008, at the height of the economic crisis. He believed that the disrupted environment presented incredible opportunities for those who could recognize them.

Since founding CALCAP, Ed has been involved in over $1.5B worth of transactions. The Company currently manages over 5,000 units and 65 properties. CALCAP operates in 16 states and has over 140 employees and over $700 million in assets.

Ed graduated from the University of San Diego with a B.B.A. degree in Business. He has served on the Board of Foothill Family Services, a Non Profit, and has actively raised money for Children's Hospital Los Angeles, and the UC San Diego Foundation He also served on the Real Estate Committee for the University of San Diego Burnham-Moores Program, and is currently a founding Board Member of Bridge21 Park City. Ed resides in San Marino, CA with his wife and three children.